APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

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APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by APOD Robot » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:06 am

Image Near to the Heart Nebula

Explanation: What excites the Heart Nebula? First, the large emission nebula on the upper left, catalogued as IC 1805, looks somewhat like a human heart. The nebula glows brightly in red light emitted by its most prominent element, hydrogen, but this long-exposure image was also blended with light emitted by sulfur (yellow) and oxygen (blue). In the center of the Heart Nebula are young stars from the open star cluster Melotte 15 that are eroding away several picturesque dust pillars with their atom-exciting energetic light and winds. The Heart Nebula is located about 7,500 light years away toward the constellation of Cassiopeia. This wide field image shows much more, though, including the Fishhead Nebula just below the Heart, a supernova remnant on the lower left, and three planetary nebulas on the image right. Taken over 57 nights, this image is so deep, though, that it clearly shows fainter long and complex filaments.

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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by Ann » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:57 am

Yes, I like it! :D

APOD 17 December 2024 annotated.png
Near to the Heart Nebula. WeBo 1 is a tiny planetary nebula.
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Normally I'm somewhat uninterested in narrowband images, because their palettes usually don't do much for me. Not only are their colors "false", but I often find them aesthetically unappealing, too.

Not this time, however! I think the APOD looks gorgeous! Me being me, I love the blue heart shape of the Heart Nebula, of course. But no, the visually dominant color of the Heart Nebula is not blue but red. On the other hand, it is impossible for us to see the red hue of hydrogen alpha - which is what colors the Heart Nebula red in the first place - because our eyes are quite insensitive to faint light whose wavelengths are close to the limit of the range of our vision. We are much better at seeing faint blue-green light (from OIII) than faint red light from Hα, so maybe it's not wrong to show the relatively OIII-rich heart of the Heart nebula as blue? 😀 💙

I love the annotated image! I would never have found the planetary nebulas otherwise, at least not all of them. Here they are:


Yes, but before I figured out that the APOD was annotated - stupid me!! - I searched the net for planetaries near the Heart Nebula and came across the strange little thing called WeBo 1:

KuriousGeorgewrote about WeBo1:

This object, also known as PN G135.6+01.0, is a rarely imaged planetary nebula located 5000 light years away in the constellation of Cassiopeia at a declination of +61 degrees. The PN is about 1 arc-minute long in our apparent view, which corresponds to a length of 1.5 light years. Most of the information below is from the 2002 paper "WeBo 1: A Young Barium Star Surrounded by a Ringlike Planetary Nebula" by Bond, Pollacco, and Webbink. Two of these authors, Weebink & Bond, first identified this PN in 1996 on DSS sky survey images and are the namesake for it.

Three things are surprising about this PN - the circular ring shape (instead of a sphere), the transparent inner region, and the orange-colored central star (instead of blue or white). We are viewing the PN from almost an edge-on perspective (at an angle of 70 degrees), so the circular ring looks elliptical to our view...

This star has been determined spectroscopically to be a cool barium star. The view is that this star is the binary companion of a more massive asymptotic giant branch (AGB) star. The AGB star has now become a white dwarf and is no longer not visible to us. This binary system has a 5 day rotation period. This rotation led to the HII gas being preferentially ejected in an orbital plane, resulting in the ring shape.
I'm just saying, it's a zoo out there! 🦧 🐘 🦩

Finally, take a look at the supernova remnant at lower left in the APOD. If you see a cloud containing huge expanding bubbles, some or most of them with blue or green outer edges - that would be OIII from shocked gas - you can bet your boots it's a supernova remnant.

APOD 17 December 2024 detail.png
Supernova remnant. Check.

Note how different the supernova remnant looks from the planetary nebulas. That's because the supernova progenitor's death was so, so much more violent than the demise of the stars that created the planetary nebulas. Yes, I know - that goes without saying. :wink:

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Post by johnnydeep » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:39 pm

Yes, Huzzah! and Hear Hear! for annotated images!
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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by AVAO » Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:15 pm


Congratulations! The epic image is beautifully processed and even at a very high resolution.

Thanks also to Ann for your wonderful comments, which I can only agree with.
I like the small family of planetary nebulae that are romping around in the area. :tiny: :tiny: :tiny:

The heart nebula is also very sweet in IR and Submillimeter.
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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by Ann » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:01 am

AVAO wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:15 pm

Congratulations! The epic image is beautifully processed and even at a very high resolution.

Thanks also to Ann for your wonderful comments, which I can only agree with.
I like the small family of planetary nebulae that are romping around in the area. :tiny: :tiny: :tiny:

The heart nebula is also very sweet in IR and Submillimeter.
Original data: NASA/ESA (HERSCHEL) jac berne (flickr)
Thanks for your kind words, Jac, and thanks for another great image! Looks like the heart lobes of the Heart Nebula have been mostly evacuated of submillimeter stuff by the harsh ultraviolet light from the scorchingly hot young stars in there, but the nebula is brilliantly bright in IR and submillimeter near the Fishhead Nebula, isn't it? I guess that this must be the dusty nursery where most of the current star formation is taking place.

I'm reminded of the Antennae Galaxies, NGC 4038 and NGC 4039.We are used to see them like this in visible light:


There is of course a very large and conspicuous brown dust cloud "between" the two galaxies, at the point contact (I guess). But this dust patch is so much more "in your face" in a composite infrared Spitzer and visible Kitt Peak image. The image is low resolution, unfortunately, but interesting nevertheless:

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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by AVAO » Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:48 am

Ann wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:01 am
AVAO wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:15 pm

Congratulations! The epic image is beautifully processed and even at a very high resolution.

Thanks also to Ann for your wonderful comments, which I can only agree with.
I like the small family of planetary nebulae that are romping around in the area. :tiny: :tiny: :tiny:

The heart nebula is also very sweet in IR and Submillimeter.
Original data: NASA/ESA (HERSCHEL) jac berne (flickr)
Thanks for your kind words, Jac, and thanks for another great image! Looks like the heart lobes of the Heart Nebula have been mostly evacuated of submillimeter stuff by the harsh ultraviolet light from the scorchingly hot young stars in there, but the nebula is brilliantly bright in IR and submillimeter near the Fishhead Nebula, isn't it? I guess that this must be the dusty nursery where most of the current star formation is taking place.

I'm reminded of the Antennae Galaxies, NGC 4038 and NGC 4039.We are used to see them like this in visible light:


There is of course a very large and conspicuous brown dust cloud "between" the two galaxies, at the point contact (I guess). But this dust patch is so much more "in your face" in a composite infrared Spitzer and visible Kitt Peak image. The image is low resolution, unfortunately, but interesting nevertheless:

Ann

ThanX Ann

In your example, the brown cloud in visible light also appears brown in the IR. The red areas in the IR correspond to the bright magenta-red star formation "bubbles" in the visible range behind the brown cloud. These are the same ones that are visible in the IR on the ionised heart chamber walls of the Heart Nebula, only shown in white-brown in my image, I would say.

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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by caliu » Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:09 pm

Well, excuse me, but this is one of the most unreal and badly processed, the red channel cannot have the shadows so illuminated because it paints the shadows of the green and blue channels, and although it is a narrow band image, you have three channels, red, green and blue, what is not possible is that the red channel paints everything in red, no matter how much data it has collected in that color. The shadows of the red channel, can not start with such intensity that tinges all the shadows of the three channels of red. you will tell me that there are many hours of Ha, but that can not mean that the blue and green also have to be dominated by red. for my understanding of astrophotography, this is a crude painting.

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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by AVAO » Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:15 pm

caliu wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:09 pm Well, excuse me, but this is one of the most unreal and badly processed, the red channel cannot have the shadows so illuminated because it paints the shadows of the green and blue channels, and although it is a narrow band image, you have three channels, red, green and blue, what is not possible is that the red channel paints everything in red, no matter how much data it has collected in that color. The shadows of the red channel, can not start with such intensity that tinges all the shadows of the three channels of red. you will tell me that there are many hours of Ha, but that can not mean that the blue and green also have to be dominated by red. for my understanding of astrophotography, this is a crude painting.

...Well, Chris is our professional for that. At https://www.astrobin.com/rjsn2m/ you can find the histogram and further detailed information...

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Post by Ann » Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:26 pm

caliu wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:09 pm Well, excuse me, but this is one of the most unreal and badly processed, the red channel cannot have the shadows so illuminated because it paints the shadows of the green and blue channels, and although it is a narrow band image, you have three channels, red, green and blue, what is not possible is that the red channel paints everything in red, no matter how much data it has collected in that color. The shadows of the red channel, can not start with such intensity that tinges all the shadows of the three channels of red. you will tell me that there are many hours of Ha, but that can not mean that the blue and green also have to be dominated by red. for my understanding of astrophotography, this is a crude painting.
I'm not absolutely sure what you complaint is, but I want to point out that there is no such such as a "true-color narrowband image".

The idea of narrowband imagery is to assign certain "false" colors to certain wavelengths, specifically to wavelengths which are emitted by certain elements in an ionized state, in order to show the presence of particular elements in a nebula and their degree of ionization of these elements.

Consider the most famous narrowband image ever, the one called The Pillars of Creation:


A very quick search turned up no information on what filters were used for this image, but I feel convinced that the filters were OIII at 500.7 nm, which is about this color, ███, Hα at 656.3 nm, which is this color, ███, and SII at 672.4 nm, which to the human eye is the same color as Hα, or this color, ███.

In narrowband photography, the OIII channel was probably assigned this color, ███, and the red Hα was probably assigned this color, ███. SII, the longest wavelength channel, was allowed to stay red.

The narrowband "Pillars of Creation" picture is absolutely not a "true-color" image, but it does give us interesting information about the elements that are present in this part of the Eagle Nebula.

To produce a "true-color" image, you would have to photograph the nebula through red, green and blue filters, and preferably give all three filters the same exposure times. You would be likely to end up with an image that looks something like this:


As you can see, a "true-color" image of the Eagle Nebula is very red, because the red light of Hα is so much brighter than the cyan-green light of OIII to an objective recorder like a camera. As for SII, it looks the same as Hα to our eyes.


So what's wrong with the narrowband picture of the Heart Nebula that was the APOD on December 17?

APOD 17 December 2024.png
Near to the Heart Nebula
Image Credit & Copyright: Jeff Horne & Drew Evans

Nothing is wrong with it. We can easily understand that the blue-looking heart of the Heart Nebula is rich in cyan-green OIII, and this OIII has been assigned a blue color. Most of the rest of the picture is red, from a combination of Hα and SII, which are both red wavelengths. I don't mind the palette of the APOD at all, because the Heart Nebula really is quite red, and I think that the blue heart looks pretty. Moreover, thanks to the OIII, we can see the supernova remnant in the lower left corner of the APOD, and we can also easily spot three planetary nebulas at right and upper right.

Let's look at a few RGB pictures of the Heart Nebula:


And to summarize: There is nothing wrong with the palette of the APOD of December 17, 2024. This APOD is a narrowband image, and the purpose of narrowband images is never to produce "true-color" images. Nevertheless, each astrophotographer is free to assign the sort of colors to his narrowband filter images that creates an image that approaches, but is not equivalent to, an RGB image.

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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:37 pm

AVAO wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:15 pm
caliu wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:09 pm Well, excuse me, but this is one of the most unreal and badly processed, the red channel cannot have the shadows so illuminated because it paints the shadows of the green and blue channels, and although it is a narrow band image, you have three channels, red, green and blue, what is not possible is that the red channel paints everything in red, no matter how much data it has collected in that color. The shadows of the red channel, can not start with such intensity that tinges all the shadows of the three channels of red. you will tell me that there are many hours of Ha, but that can not mean that the blue and green also have to be dominated by red. for my understanding of astrophotography, this is a crude painting.

...Well, Chris is our professional for that. At https://www.astrobin.com/rjsn2m/ you can find the histogram and further detailed information...
Maybe it's a language thing, but I don't understand the complaint. We have a false color image here that pretty clearly shows interesting structure in the nebula, which is generally the intent. It's not completely clear what the mapping is, but there's no "wrong" with NB imaging.
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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by Ann » Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:24 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:37 pm
AVAO wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:15 pm
caliu wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:09 pm Well, excuse me, but this is one of the most unreal and badly processed, the red channel cannot have the shadows so illuminated because it paints the shadows of the green and blue channels, and although it is a narrow band image, you have three channels, red, green and blue, what is not possible is that the red channel paints everything in red, no matter how much data it has collected in that color. The shadows of the red channel, can not start with such intensity that tinges all the shadows of the three channels of red. you will tell me that there are many hours of Ha, but that can not mean that the blue and green also have to be dominated by red. for my understanding of astrophotography, this is a crude painting.

...Well, Chris is our professional for that. At https://www.astrobin.com/rjsn2m/ you can find the histogram and further detailed information...
Maybe it's a language thing, but I don't understand the complaint. We have a false color image here that pretty clearly shows interesting structure in the nebula, which is generally the intent. It's not completely clear what the mapping is, but there's no "wrong" with NB imaging.
In other words, you agree with me, Chris. :wink:

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Re: APOD: Near to the Heart Nebula (2024 Dec 17)

Post by AVAO » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:11 pm

Ann wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:24 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:37 pm
AVAO wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:15 pm


...Well, Chris is our professional for that. At https://www.astrobin.com/rjsn2m/ you can find the histogram and further detailed information...
Maybe it's a language thing, but I don't understand the complaint. We have a false color image here that pretty clearly shows interesting structure in the nebula, which is generally the intent. It's not completely clear what the mapping is, but there's no "wrong" with NB imaging.
In other words, you agree with me, Chris. :wink:

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Well, okay. I actually didn't want to get involved. But if you take a closer look at the histogram or the three RGB channels, you'll understand what Caliu means.

the author writes: "Taken over the course of 57 nights, this was a team effort between my dear friend @Drew Evans and myself. Drew acquired the Oiii data from his Bortle 2 home observatory (NAZ Observatory), and I gathered the Hydrogen and Sulfur data from my Bortle 8-9 in Nashville, TN. Processing was done by yours truly. Processing this image was a real bear... with so much integration time and such a wild dynamic range, it was very difficult to get the bright and faint parts to both look presentable. It took a couple of weeks, but I'm happy with this one."

If he had adjusted his colleague's red external channel accordingly, a "normal" SHO image would have been created as we know it classically. The corresponding result looks much better than the APOD on my Photoshop, without a red background and with more spatiality. But I don't want to post this because the original image is copyrighted.

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Post by Chris Peterson » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:25 pm

AVAO wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:11 pm
Ann wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:24 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:37 pm
Maybe it's a language thing, but I don't understand the complaint. We have a false color image here that pretty clearly shows interesting structure in the nebula, which is generally the intent. It's not completely clear what the mapping is, but there's no "wrong" with NB imaging.
In other words, you agree with me, Chris. :wink:

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Well, okay. I actually didn't want to get involved. But if you take a closer look at the histogram or the three RGB channels, you'll understand what Caliu means.

the author writes: "Taken over the course of 57 nights, this was a team effort between my dear friend @Drew Evans and myself. Drew acquired the Oiii data from his Bortle 2 home observatory (NAZ Observatory), and I gathered the Hydrogen and Sulfur data from my Bortle 8-9 in Nashville, TN. Processing was done by yours truly. Processing this image was a real bear... with so much integration time and such a wild dynamic range, it was very difficult to get the bright and faint parts to both look presentable. It took a couple of weeks, but I'm happy with this one."

If he had adjusted his colleague's red external channel accordingly, a "normal" SHO image would have been created as we know it classically. The corresponding result looks much better than the APOD on my Photoshop, without a red background and with more spatiality. But I don't want to post this because the original image is copyrighted.
As I noted, the mapping isn't clear. It's not SHO. It may not even be one-to-one, as there's a reference to S being mapped as "yellow", which means mixed with red and green. Broadly, I'd say that H is mapped to red and O to blue, but I think there's more going on than just that.
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