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APOD: Cassini Spacecraft Crosses Saturn's... (2019 Dec 29)

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Image Cassini Spacecraft Crosses Saturn's Ring Plane

Explanation: If this is Saturn, where are the rings? When Saturn's "appendages" disappeared in 1612, Galileo did not understand why. Later that century, it became understood that Saturn's unusual protrusions were rings and that when the Earth crosses the ring plane, the edge-on rings will appear to disappear. This is because Saturn's rings are confined to a plane many times thinner, in proportion, than a razor blade. In modern times, the robot Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn frequently crossed Saturn's ring plane during its mission to Saturn, from 2004 to 2017. A series of plane crossing images from 2005 February was dug out of the vast online Cassini raw image archive by interested Spanish amateur Fernando Garcia Navarro. Pictured here, digitally cropped and set in representative colors, is the striking result. Saturn's thin ring plane appears in blue, bands and clouds in Saturn's upper atmosphere appear in gold. Details of Saturn's rings can be seen in the high dark shadows across the top of this image, taken back in 2005. The moons Dione and Enceladus appear as bumps in the rings.

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Post by orin stepanek » Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:02 pm

Unusal to see the rings in this kind of view!
Gives the picture a bit of starkness! 8-)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Galileo's_work wrote:
<<Galileo Galilei was the first to observe the rings of Saturn in 1610 using his telescope, but was unable to identify them as such. He wrote to the Duke of Tuscany that "The planet Saturn is not alone, but is composed of three, which almost touch one another and never move nor change with respect to one another. They are arranged in a line parallel to the zodiac, and the middle one (Saturn itself) is about three times the size of the lateral ones." He also described the rings as Saturn's "ears". In 1612 the Earth passed through the plane of the rings and they became invisible. Mystified, Galileo remarked "I do not know what to say in a case so surprising, so unlooked for and so novel." He mused, "Has Saturn swallowed his children?" — referring to the myth of the Titan Saturn devouring his offspring to forestall the prophecy of them overthrowing him. He was further confused when the rings again became visible in 1613.

Early astronomers used anagrams as a form of commitment scheme to lay claim to new discoveries before their results were ready for publication. Galileo used smaismrmilmepoetaleumibunenugttauiras for Altissimum planetam tergeminum observavi ("I have observed the most distant planet to have a triple form") for discovering the rings of Saturn.>>
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Post by Ann » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:11 pm

Let's hope that razor-sharp "wire trap" doesn't cut Saturn in half! :shock:

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Re: APOD: Cassini Spacecraft Crosses Saturn's... (2019 Dec 29)

Post by HunterofPhotons » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Why does Saturn's upper pole appear at the one o'clock position and it's bottom pole is shown to be at the six o'clock position? I've never seen this before.

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:57 pm

HunterofPhotons wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:37 pm
Why does Saturn's upper pole appear at the one o'clock position and it's bottom pole is shown to be at the six o'clock position? I've never seen this before.
Keep in mind that the rings have zero inclination with respect to Saturn (that is, they are perfectly perpendicular to Saturn's rotation axis). Saturn's poles in this image are exactly at 12 and 6 o'clock. You're being fooled into seeing the upper pole where you are by the shadow of the rings, which are not concentric around the poles.
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Re: APOD: Cassini Spacecraft Crosses Saturn's... (2019 Dec 29)

Post by neufer » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:57 pm
HunterofPhotons wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Why does Saturn's upper pole appear at the one o'clock position and it's bottom pole is shown to be at the six o'clock position? I've never seen this before.
Keep in mind that the rings have zero inclination with respect to Saturn (that is, they are perfectly perpendicular to Saturn's rotation axis). Saturn's poles in this image are exactly at 12 and 6 o'clock. You're being fooled into seeing the upper pole where you are by the shadow of the rings, which are not concentric around the poles.
From Earth, Saturn is almost perfectly backlit (by the Sun).

Saturn's shadow on its rings is somewhat discernible but the
ring shadow on Saturn is well hidden by the rings themselves.
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Re: APOD: Cassini Spacecraft Crosses Saturn's... (2019 Dec 29)

Post by Ann » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:17 pm

neufer wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 pm

From Earth, Saturn is almost perfectly backlit (by the Sun).

Saturn's shadow on its rings is somewhat discernible but the
ring shadow on Saturn is well hidden by the rings themselves.
I googled "Backlit Saturn" and got this:


And it is not what Saturn looks like from the Earth!


  • But I was thinking of a plan
    To dye one's whiskers green,
    And always use so large a fan
    That they could not be seen.




Green eyed Cat.png

I like your poem, though. Who wrote it?

I wanted to post a picture of a green-whiskered cat, but I couldn't find one. This green-eyed cat-purse is nice, though.

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Post by neufer » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:58 pm

Ann wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:17 pm
neufer wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 pm

From Earth, Saturn is almost perfectly backlit (by the Sun).

Saturn's shadow on its rings is somewhat discernible but the
ring shadow on Saturn is well hidden by the rings themselves.
I googled "Backlit Saturn" ...
I'm afraid I misused the term "Backlit" ... but you get the idea.
https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?W ... 2=l&org3=y
https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?W ... 2=l&org3=y
Ann wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:17 pm

I like your poem, though. Who wrote it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks%27_Eyes wrote:
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The White Knight explains to Ann a confusing nomenclature for the song.

‘You are sad,’ the Knight said in an anxious tone: ‘let me sing you a song to comfort you.’

‘Is it very long?’ Ann asked, for she had heard a good deal of poetry that day.

‘It’s long,’ said the Knight, ‘but very, VERY beautiful. Everybody that hears me sing it--either it brings the TEARS into their eyes, or else--’

‘Or else what?’ said Ann, for the Knight had made a sudden pause.

‘Or else it doesn’t, you know. The name of the song is called “HADDOCKS’ EYES.”’

‘Oh, that’s the name of the song, is it?’ Ann said, trying to feel interested.

‘No, you don’t understand,’ the Knight said, looking a little vexed. ‘That’s what the name is CALLED. The name really IS “THE AGED AGED MAN.”’

‘Then I ought to have said “That’s what the SONG is called”?’ Ann corrected herself.

‘No, you oughtn’t: that’s quite another thing! The SONG is called “WAYS AND MEANS”: but that’s only what it’s CALLED, you know!’

‘Well, what IS the song, then?’ said Ann, who was by this time completely bewildered.

‘I was coming to that,’ the Knight said. ‘The song really IS “A-SITTING ON A GATE”: and the tune’s my own invention.’
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Re: APOD: Cassini Spacecraft Crosses Saturn's... (2019 Dec 29)

Post by orin stepanek » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:30 pm

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Green eyed Cat.png

I like your poem, though. Who wrote it?

I wanted to post a picture of a green-whiskered cat, but I couldn't find one. This green-eyed cat-purse is nice, though.

Ann
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I never seen a green whiskered cat; but when I was a kid Mom took me to a movie called the boy with green hair! :lol2:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear ... tion=click

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Post by Ann » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:07 am

neufer wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:58 pm

https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?W ... 2=l&org3=y
https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?W ... 2=l&org3=y
Ann wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:17 pm

I like your poem, though. Who wrote it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks%27_Eyes wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

The White Knight explains to Ann a confusing nomenclature for the song.

‘You are sad,’ the Knight said in an anxious tone: ‘let me sing you a song to comfort you.’

‘Is it very long?’ Ann asked, for she had heard a good deal of poetry that day.

‘It’s long,’ said the Knight, ‘but very, VERY beautiful. Everybody that hears me sing it--either it brings the TEARS into their eyes, or else--’

‘Or else what?’ said Ann, for the Knight had made a sudden pause.

‘Or else it doesn’t, you know. The name of the song is called “HADDOCKS’ EYES.”’

‘Oh, that’s the name of the song, is it?’ Ann said, trying to feel interested.

‘No, you don’t understand,’ the Knight said, looking a little vexed. ‘That’s what the name is CALLED. The name really IS “THE AGED AGED MAN.”’

‘Then I ought to have said “That’s what the SONG is called”?’ Ann corrected herself.

‘No, you oughtn’t: that’s quite another thing! The SONG is called “WAYS AND MEANS”: but that’s only what it’s CALLED, you know!’

‘Well, what IS the song, then?’ said Ann, who was by this time completely bewildered.

‘I was coming to that,’ the Knight said. ‘The song really IS “A-SITTING ON A GATE”: and the tune’s my own invention.’

"Oh freddled gruntbuggly,

Thy micturations are to me

As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.

Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,

And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,

Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts

With my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!"



(But you were nicer to me. At least you didn't torture me with your poem!)


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Post by neufer » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:14 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Ann wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:07 am

"Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts
With my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!"


(But you were nicer to me.
At least you didn't torture me with your poem!)
I quite liked it really. The imagery was really particularly affective and the metaphysical prop…

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