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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:02 am

In an explanation of the origin of the Universe,
Wikipedia wrote:
" It is unknown the nature of the macro Universe
that precedes the instant in which our Universe
( to see observable Universe) was of the dimension
of a point with infinite density, known as
< space-time singularity > "
Wikipedia recognizes ( tacitly) that before the
point if infinite density there was a macro Universe

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:30 am

saturno2 wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:02 am In an explanation of the origin of the Universe,
Wikipedia wrote:
" It is unknown the nature of the macro Universe
that precedes the instant in which our Universe
( to see observable Universe) was of the dimension
of a point with infinite density, known as
< space-time singularity > "
Wikipedia recognizes ( tacitly) that before the
point if infinite density there was a macro Universe
The use of "unknown" does not assume any such thing existed.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:42 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:30 am
saturno2 wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:02 am In an explanation of the origin of the Universe,
Wikipedia wrote:
" It is unknown the nature of the macro Universe
that precedes the instant in which our Universe
( to see observable Universe) was of the dimension
of a point with infinite density, known as
< space-time singularity > "
Wikipedia recognizes ( tacitly) that before the
point if infinite density there was a macro Universe


The use of "unknown" does not assume any such thing existed.
Wikipedia wrote: " It is <unknown the nature> of the macro Universe " ...
Wikipedia did not wrote : It is unknown the macro Universe...

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm

An international consortium of countries have
installed in Argentina, at almost 5000 m high,
an ultrasensitive telescope called Qubic.
With this telescope, whose sensors work at low
temperatures, it is intended to measure the
radiation emitted in the Big Bang, at instant
10 raised to less 35 seconds, from point 0.
But the radiation that is sought has a special
wave structure called " mode B ".
Whit this project they want to confirm or
to discard the theory of the Big Bang.
Of course, the results should be studied
by other scientists, too

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:53 pm

saturno2 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm An international consortium of countries have
installed in Argentina, at almost 5000 m high,
an ultrasensitive telescope called Qubic.
With this telescope, whose sensors work at low
temperatures, it is intended to measure the
radiation emitted in the Big Bang, at instant
10 raised to less 35 seconds, from point 0.
But the radiation that is sought has a special
wave structure called " mode B ".
Whit this project they want to confirm or
to discard the theory of the Big Bang.
Of course, the results should be studied
by other scientists, too
They are not looking to either confirm or deny the Big Bang. That is accepted as about as close to a fact as anything can get. What they're looking for is whether the lambda-CDM theory of the Big Bang is accurate in its current form or needs refinement.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by bystander » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:12 am

I think it's hubris to assume it doesn't need refinement. It probably always will. :mrgreen:
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:09 pm

bystander wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:12 am I think it's hubris to assume it doesn't need refinement. It probably always will. :mrgreen:
There is good reason to think that the theory is incomplete. But I see no reason to think it will always remain so. The Universe is a pretty simple machine, and appears to be fully understandable.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Fred the Cat » Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:17 pm

Do you suppose Occam’s Razor might be imposed for the unknowns of the universe? We’ve searched for very complex theories but which one is the simplest?

To me, the easiest to believe has to include, “What function do the unknowns provide for the state of the universe to exist?” A Yin and Yang approach seems a balanced methodology where we should begin. Saying that, all matter must be composed of universal components – mixed equally. :content:
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Ann » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:42 am

Fred the Cat wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:17 pm Do you suppose Occam’s Razor might be imposed for the unknowns of the universe? We’ve searched for very complex theories but which one is the simplest?

To me, the easiest to believe has to include, “What function do the unknowns provide for the state of the universe to exist?” A Yin and Yang approach seems a balanced methodology where we should begin. Saying that, all matter must be composed of universal components – mixed equally. :content:
But where's all the antimatter?

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Fred the Cat » Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:29 pm

Ann wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:42 am
Fred the Cat wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:17 pm Do you suppose Occam’s Razor might be imposed for the unknowns of the universe? We’ve searched for very complex theories but which one is the simplest?

To me, the easiest to believe has to include, “What function do the unknowns provide for the state of the universe to exist?” A Yin and Yang approach seems a balanced methodology where we should begin. Saying that, all matter must be composed of universal components – mixed equally.
But where's all the antimatter?

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A bold statement requires evidence I’m unlikely to provide so I’ll need to consult Yin and Yang. :wink: I’m equally unlikely to say how anti-matter can be produced but the fact that it can be, might be a start.

A simple mind makes simple ideas. I’d like to think there is a mind complex enough to simply piece together all the components coherently. :| Perhaps, behind the curtain, lies the answer and it'll take Toto to pull it back :ssmile: Perhaps, the curtain itself is a clue.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:25 pm

Fred the Cat wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:17 pm Do you suppose Occam’s Razor might be imposed for the unknowns of the universe? We’ve searched for very complex theories but which one is the simplest?

To me, the easiest to believe has to include, “What function do the unknowns provide for the state of the universe to exist?” A Yin and Yang approach seems a balanced methodology where we should begin. Saying that, all matter must be composed of universal components – mixed equally. :content:
MOND is far more complicated and difficult to reconcile with reality than dark matter.
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